tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg September 26, 2015 8:00pm-9:01pm EDT
>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: good evening. erik: good evening. i'm erik schatzker of bloomberg television, filling in for charlie rose, who is on assignment. we begin with. in. the german carmaker admitted it had provided false emission test .esults in the united states shares of the company plunged by 36% in just two days. the transport minister suggested today that european cars could be affected as well. resignedn winterkorn as result of the revelations, and the scandal isn't even close
to being over. joining the program from washington is the ceo and cofounder of business strategy firm jti and a former daimler executive. from detroit, the bloomberg auto editor. and here in new york city, the former auto critic for "the new " rk times. i am pleased to have all of them on the program. gentlemen, welcome. i have looking at the vw scandal and wondering, if it does not very quickly become the biggest auto scandal of all time. but is easy to feel that way today. let's put it into perspective. let's rate the vw scandal on the timeline of scandals over time. we have a lot to choose from. in the last five years, we have got g.m., takata, toyota. lawrence, let's start with you. lawrence: it is hard to get perspective at the moment. it is such a hot issue. i would put it somewhere in the low top 10.
we are talking previous scandals from ford pinto to toyota, injuries and fatalities, and no one has died here. perhaps a little lung congestion, and that is not a good thing. but right, it's a bad scandal. it is corrupt. and unseemliness is driving it home for a company, a studious company -- you picture of volkswagen, an intelligent german company with the following of educated car nerds. it is like a frat boy move, cheating on the test is the last thing you would've expected from volkswagen. erik: jeffrey, lawrence is right, nobody has died and nobody will die as a result of this scandal, at least not directly because volkswagen cheated on its emissions test. at the same time, we are talking about tens of billions of
dollars in potential penalties. we are talking currently about 11 million cars, but that is 11 million cars and volkswagen only. we have no idea which other carmakers may ultimately become embroiled. jeffrey: that's right. we can already see from the movement of stock prices of other automotive makers that there is some concern. until investigations, internal investigations are conducted in those other automotive manufacturers come to the conclusion they are doing things correctly, that uncertainty will hover over the automotive industry. i would agree that i would rank this somewhere in the middle of the top 10. but the fact that you have leading engineers from germany with a system, an algorithm to circumvent regulations, is somewhat unique. and i think it is going to be met with a very large sledgehammer once the regulators
get into this. erik: jamie, go ahead. jamie: you are right. it is less violent than an unintended acceleration incident that causes the car to accelerate and get into a crash. more than a hundred people were killed by the g.m. faulty ignition switch. that g.m. acknowledges. there are others that they don't accept. more than 100 fatalities, violent fatalities. but it was the deliberateness of this and the many months of obfuscation. after the scientists found them and the air resources board started asking them, why are your cars dirtier on the road? and it was only after months -- it was not until the 10th meeting with arb that they finally admitted they ran out of excuses and had to admit that
they had put in this defeat device, that they had cheated on the test. it is that deliberateness and unwillingness to admit error that is going to cause trouble. the regulators are not going to take this lightly. erik: i want to get to that notion, the deliberateness. before i do, jeffrey go-ahead. jeffrey: i would add to that. we have other examples where companies put up smoke, did not respond transparently to the initial inquiries. and they paid dearly when it came time to issue fines and other civil and criminal penalties. so, the fact that vw was dragging their feet over the last several months is definitely going to come back to haunt them. erik: the word i have heard used several times over the past couple of days which rings
loudly in my head is "conspiracy." jamie got to it with his point about it being deliberate. unlike other conspiracies, say at ford over the transmission in the 1980's and most recently g.m. and takata and perhaps toyota, this was a conspiracy to deceive from the beginning. whereas in those cases, it was just a cover-up. jamie: this is not the first time people have played fast and loose with emissions results. cadillac did it a long time ago, walked away with a slap. back in the 1990's. very detroit solution. when the car would sense that it was being tested, it would put a sensor on the hood. when the hood was open to be tested, it was an early defeat device. in a way, a very elegant solution. how will we set this car up? but they walked away with nothing. it hardly even created a blink in the media. i think there is a new climate out there now.
as jeffrey noted, the massive scale of this -- if we are talking 11 million cars and drag in the point that this is diesel technology that is trying to vye for legitimacy in the age of waning plutonium. just new wrinkles here that were not there 20 or 30 years ago. erik: what is that going to mean? jeffrey, given your experience, while u.s. regulators and prosecutors in this country and in germany -- we know they are beginning a criminal probe -- deal with volkswagen in a different way, or are they going to look back on previous cases like general motors or toyota or as you pointed out cadillac and say, the punishment needs to fit the crime? jeffrey: i think the doj is going to take a pretty hard stand here again, because of the intentional nature of what was done.
so, a large impact will come from how vw reacts literally in the next days. if they continue to put up smoke, continue to put up denials, then the doj will become more and more aggressive here to have to watch and see what happens in the coming days. they're very active now. the german prosecutors are also active. what we do not know is whether or not, with or without this device, the regulations in europe would have been circumvented. they do have a different type of diesel fuel which is cleaner than the diesel fuel used here. the use of diesels in the passenger car industry is much more widespread in europe than it is here. they do have a higher standard fuel. even with this defeat device, they would have their local quality standards because of the
better fuel. we will have to see what happens in the coming days. erik: i know you and our fellow colleagues have bloomberg have been working very hard doing what we do, which is adding up the numbers. do we have any idea at this point how much this whole affair is going to cost volkswagen? jamie: wow. that is a big number. and i don't know. they lost -- we had an intern actually trying to play with some numbers the other day, and there is so much we do not know. but you are talking about $20 billion in lost market cap, which is not the company's money. but it is a useful measure of the might and what resources they can come up with. you're going to have fines. they have set aside $7 billion, but who knows if that is going to be enough? there was some talk, well, they could've added the technology for $3000 per car. that is $44 billion. that is a lot of money, even for volkswagen, which has been extremely profitable.
but we're talking about an awful lot of money. g.m. just got their fine for $900 million. it was smaller than toyota's, even though there were many more deaths involved. g.m. was seen as being more cooperative. this could hurt volkswagen with u.s. regulators. the other thing to keep in mind is that was the national highway traffic safety administrator. they have some powers but pretty limited. their fine-ability is smaller. the clean air act is -- people have gone to jail for that. there is very much higher likelihood of nonmonetary jail time kind of punishments here. erik: i wonder to myself, lawrence, whether this might for
volkswagen become like the bp disaster in the gulf was for that company. that the numbers involved get so high so quickly and the liability seems so bottomless that the company has no choice but to shrink and sell off assets to prepare itself for the storm to come. lawrence: well, volkswagen must be hoping that they can somehow limit the damage to the united states and not have this bleed off to become a giant international issue. business ino much the united states. they have a 20-year record of floundering here. i speak as a loyal volkswagen guy. i could not afford bmw's. i drove gti's. few companies have such fiercely loyal buyers. but other than the gti's and the
gulf, their lineup is a mess. they do not have the suv's. they have not been able to crack the code since the glory days of the original beetle. for the last 10 years, companies like hyundai and kia have been eating their lunchs. they sell three times as many cars in the united states as volkswagen. so, if there is something they have got, they're a niche brand, and this is a niche products within a niche brand. if they can somehow make their customers happy and somehow rebuild their loyalty, volkswagen owners are willing to take a lot. if they feel they are still driving a good car and a car that is fun to drive. let's not forget, this could be possibly fixed with software. erik: jamie, could you see volkswagen, given their record of failure, pulling a peugeot and saying to heck with the united states? jamie: they would have to give up their global ambitions.
it was winterkorn's target -- the idea that has driven their strategy is to be the world's most biggest and most profitable. there is no way they can do that if they skip the u.s., which is the number two market by vehicle sales but number one in terms of dollars. the vehicles here are so much more expensive. they have more technology in them than many of the cars sold in china. so, this is really where most everybody makes their money. volkswagen is not going to want to pull out of the united states. lawrence: disasters. let's not forget -- their golden goose brands. audi, lamborghini, bentley. i can't imagine them considering it at this point. jeffrey: i was going to say the same thing. i think they see the vw brand as completing the broad palette they want to offer into this market.
despite this disaster, i do not see them pulling out of here. erik: here's a question for you. even if they do manage to fix this problem with the software patch and it only cost drivers a couple of miles per gallon on the highway, could it leave a more lasting impression on the mind of the auto buyer and maybe even spell the end of diesel? >> i would come back to the earlier remark. i think they need to move quickly. if it can be moved with the software adjustment, great, but they need to get this issue done and dusted in out of the press as quickly as possible. and then deal directly with a disappointed customer base. the longer this is in the press, the longer it drags on, the more dangerous it is going to be to recover that brand equity they have lost it.
lawrence: i agree. if i'm a crisis manager, volkswagen need something dramatic. this is in some ways a very insular, traditional german company with an arrogance. that relationship with america has always been difficult. in a way, they don't speak the language of this market. i hope they are getting good advice to not be evasive. to not be defensive. to come out with something big that is going to -- we've seen companies in crises that looked worse than this and end up getting good well if they face it honestly and transparently. erik: before we go back, let's have jeffrey make that point. our viewers might not know that you have been a consultant to multinationals, including some large german companies on ethics and compliance, the very issues that volkswagen is going to have to confront. and one would hope is confronting right now. jeffrey: yes, this is not uncommon. when you see a company getting into hot water of this scale, and a company especially like vw that's known for a top-down
hierarchical management structure, it makes it difficult for employees further down in the chain to raise concerns for fear of retaliation. at the end of the day, we've have inside is an absolutely need for culture change. that does not happen overnight. it is going to take a long time to address that issue inside of vw. but i think bringing in mueller is a good first step. to bring in culture from porsche that has been on the sidelines. actually, the way german companies are structures where you have a supervisory board comprised of 10 members representing workers and 10 members representing management, on that management side you have two px and two porsches. i think you will see them exerting more influence on the direction of the company. erik: can we raise another question about matthias mueller? why promote from within when it
seems like the whole culture is so tainted by the width of the scandal? jamie: they have got to believe it is only a whiff. the air will blow clean. and it will all go away. they have promoted very much from within. they do have one who came from bmw not long ago. bmw had a scare today where there was a report saying they had a diesel car that tested worse on the road. that has since been retracted in the shares have rebounded. but it's just -- it's who they have. it could be very challenging for them to bring in a transplant executive. and with mueller, i think what jeffrey is saying, you sort of have the best of both worlds. someone inside but coming from
a really independent unit within volkswagen. and honestly, one that has been willing to break with their traditions. they added sport-utility vehicles and smaller sport-utility vehicles. and it's been very lucrative for them. so maybe there is something to be learned there. i'm not saying we will see a vw pick-up any time soon, but they might be willing to do things a little differently while still preserving what has been a very successful company in these last several years. lawrence: if there's one lesson that volkswagen needs is how to sell a popular suv. of all things that porsche would be able to teach them that lesson. porsche's suv's single-handedly resuscitated that company. volkswagen -- americans, they love their crossover suv's. that is the biggest blind spot in the volkswagen lineup. that is what they need to compete with or without diesel. erik: i will wrap up our conversation with this last
question -- are we going to look back on this volkswagen scandal and say it was the greatest thing that ever happened to tesla? lawrence: it's hard to tell. it is a shame from a technical standpoint, for -- diesel continues to have promise. for as long as petroleum lasts. look at europe, 50% of new cars are diesel. they are green in europe. the technology has been proven that it can meet modern emissions standards. that is the biggest shame. you have a promising technology , very likely is a bridge technology, the we certainly not ready to take the world's cars off oil and all drive $100,000 teslas. this is a black eye for technology that did seem to show a lot of promise. that lack of trust bodes poorly for the tech in the united states. jamie: lawrence said the keyword
which is oil. $200 oil is the best thing that can happen to tesla. jeffrey: i would say the biggest beneficiary is not tesla. it is probably consumer advocacy groups who are now going to turn up the pressure to make sure that the regulators are doing everything he possibly can to regulate and not just trust. trust but verify. erik: ralph nader redux. gentlemen, thank you very much. ceo and cofounder of jti. we had jamie butters, the auto editor here with me at bloomberg. lawrence ulrich, thank you very much. lawrence: thedrive.com. erik: we will be right back. stay with us. ♪
charlie: carol burnett is here. her comedy has inspired generations of comedians for 60 years, she has received many awards including six emmys, a kennedy center honor, the mark twain prize, and the presidential medal of freedom. she will receive a lifetime achievement award from the screen actors guild next year. "the carol burnett show: the lost episodes" is a new dvd box set. here is a look at some classic moments. >> that absolutely did it! i am leaving this house and i am
not coming back until the end of the football season! [football playing loudly on tv] in case you missed it, here is the instant replay. i am leaving this house and i'm not coming back until the end of the football season! [applause] >> i wonder how grandfather is doing. gramps, how are you feeling? just as i thought. hello, general hospital?
dr. hoffer, please. yes, i'll hold on. hello, dr. hoffer. can you come over? gramps is really sick this time. i think it is serious. oh, just in case, would you pick up my black dress at the cleaners? thank you. bye-bye. [doorbell rings] at last. thank you. [organ plays] >> oh. [laughter] charlie: so, there we are.
these lost episodes. why were they lost? carol: well, the first five years, we were going to go into syndication and we could not use the first five years. there were some kind of legal stuff going on. so we released the last six years. now it is all been cleared up, so here they are. charlie: you have them in a dvd box. carol: these have not been seen since they were first aired. they have never been syndicated or on youtube. charlie: why do people love them so much? carol: funny is funny. i dare anyone to look at the
dentist sketch today that is over 40 years old with harvey and tim and not laugh. what we had were belly laughs. that's what we aimed for. it holds up. charlie: it does. most of them, there is no political stuff so it is not dated. carol: right, exactly. in a way, we kind of did that on purpose. not that we ever thought we were going to syndication because variety shows did not. but i just felt that's for the smothers brothers, which did it beautifully, and other shows. but i'm a clown. i was a clown on the gary moore show. i don't know. i just like the whole idea of a belly laugh. charlie: how did you come to create "the carol burnett show"? carol: well, i got my training on the gary moore show. doing sketches and different
characters was what i absolutely loved doing. and i had signed a 10-year contract with cbs as i was leaving the gary moore show. there was a caveat in the first five years that some brilliant lawyer or my agent or somebody came up with that was, said, if within the first five years of the 10-year contract, if i wanted to push that button, they would have to put us on the air one hour, 30 pay or play righty -- variety shows. charlie: explain to people what pay or play -- carol: if they did not pick us carol: if they did not pick us
up on that country, they would have to pay us for 30 varieties on the air or not. they took the chance to put us on. they did not want me to -- they had forgotten, because i did not think i wanted to do it. to host a variety show, i never thought i would. the five years was almost up. there was one week to go. and my husband and i had just put a down payment on a house in california. i was not quite as in demand as i had been five years earlier, and so we looked at each other. we had two children. and we said, you know, maybe we ought to push that button. and so, it was christmas, the week between christmas and new year's, and i called cbs in new york and got one of the vice presidents on the phone. hi, carol. merry christmas. thank you. i'm calling to push that button. what? what are you talking about? it was over five years.
you they had forgotten. i said, you know, where i get to do a variety show, 30 variety shows? he said, let me get back to. i said this before, i am sure they got a lot of lawyers on -- out of christmas parties that week. he called back the next day and he said, i see that, carol, but you know, variety is a man's game. it's sid caesar, milton berle, jackie gleason. now dean martin. it is not for you gals. and i said, then he said, we have got this great sitcom we would love you to do called "here's agnes." god, can you picture that? anyway i said, no, i don't want to be the same person week after week. i want to be different characters. i want a rep company like sid caesar had. i want music, i want that stars, i want costumes and dancing -- a true, comedy musical review a week.
they had to put us on the air. charlie: was it a hit from day one? carol: it was successful. they put us on monday night opposite "i spy" and "big valley," which were major shows -- charlie: nbc. carol: nbc and abc. abc was "big valley." so, we did well, and we started to pick up an audience and so forth. we got renewed for a second season. then a third. they got the idea they would move us to wednesday night to 8:00 or something like that, and i did not care for that because i always thought we were a 10:00 show.
they put us opposite "adam 12," which was a cop show. it was not our thing. we did not do well in that timeslot. then, he moved us to the wonderful saturday night lineup, where it was "all in the family," mash, "mary tyler moore" where everybody thrived. charlie: 30 minute sitcoms. carol: "mash" was an hour. charlie: why did you pick tim and vicki and harvey? carol: i was smart. we were putting together a rep company and we had seen harvey corman on the danny kaye show. danny's second banana. he is like carl reiner was in art carney. gleason on sid caesar. danny's show was going off the
air. we kept saying we need harvey corman. finally, duh. why don't we get "the" harvey korman. i practically attacked him in the parking lot one afternoon. i think we had called his agent. i jumped at him. charlie: he said? carol: yes. charlie: why comedy for you? were you always funny? carol: i don't know. i had a sense of humor. but i never really explored it in school or anything. in fact, i was pretty much a nerd, a good student. i wanted to be a journalist. and i wanted to write. so, when i got to ucla, i wanted to major in journalism, but there was no school of journalism. i could take a course, and join "the daily bruin."
i looked in the catalog and a said theater arts-english, where i could take playwriting courses and still join the school newspaper. but i didn't realize that when you majored in theater arts-english, you, as a freshman, you had to take acting, lighting, you had to take sound, costumes. so i had to take an acting course. i was terrified. i did a scene. and with a fellow student. and they laughed where they were supposed to. charlie: so you knew you could make people laugh. carol: it was a great feeling. then some of the kids from, you know, seniors came up to me and said, you were funny. you want to have lunch with us? all of a sudden, i was popular. charlie: take a look at this.
this is a sketch featuring carol being visited in herself by a cell by a priest played by tim conway. >> oh, father, i'm so glad you have come. >> there, there, my child. the time is growing short. we only have a few more minutes. i would like to give you some words of comfort. >> thank you, father, but i am afraid, to -- >> fry in the electric chair? >> thank you for those words of comfort. >> are you sure there is not something you would like to tell me, like why you committed this terrible crime? >> no, father. it is my secret and i will carry it with me to the -- to -- >> your grave?
well, you can tell me, my child. i have heard confessions of all kinds. >> but father mine is sick and depraved. >> well, they are the best kind. charlie: writing, writing, writing. carol: that was a takeoff on "madam x." we used to do longform stuff. that particular sketch. this "madam x." "double indemnity." we did "postman always rings twice." they would run 12 or 13 minutes. today, everything is one minute or two minutes long. are people going to sit and watch anything that length of time? charlie: aren't they trying to bring back a variety show. there is someone doing a variety show.
neil -- carol: neil patrick harris. it is all going to be in the writing because he has got it. there are several people who can do variety. but it depends. they could not do what we did because of the cost. we had 12 dancers. we had a rep company. we had two guest stars. we had a 28 piece orchestra. that cannot be done today. charlie: this is you last night on "the late show with stephen colbert." take a look at this. a great bit with stephen in "the late show." here it is. stephen: the redhead in the third row. carol: i would like to know why you're doing this bit. [applause] [applause] stephen: carol burnett. carol, wow! [applause] [applause] [applause]
holy cow. incredible. that's amazing. that's amazing. thank you. carol, thank you for being here. what is your question? carol: it is just that i want to know where you get off doing this bit, because it is my bit. [laughter] stephen: i don't understand. carol: for 11 years i used to take questions, i would take questions with the audience. so, really, it's mine. i own this. [laughter] [applause] [applause] stephen: i'm a huge fan. i never miss your show. but you do not own the idea of answering questions. carol: that is true technically , but i have a patent on it. and i quote, "for responding to the audience inquiries on a
televised comedy/variety broadcast." stephen: fine, then get up here and show me how it is done. that young lady right that. >> can you do your tarzan yell? stephen: i would be happy to. carol: excuse me, but that is my tarzan yell. stephen: your tarzan yell? carol: i bet that is news to tarzan. are you ready? ahhhh-ahhhh! [cheering] [applause] [applause] charlie: there is tarzan. you know, you have got the timing. timing is everything in comedy. carol: yes, it is. but it is also writing.
charlie: yogi berra the hall of fame baseball player died on tuesday. he was 90 years old. berra competed in 14 world series as a player and was on the winning side 10 times. he was the american league m.v.p. 10 times. he was also a winning manager. he led the yankees to an american league pennant in 1964 and the new york mets to a national league title in 1973. in his personal life, he became a popular figure for his homespun philosophies. he penned yogisms. when you come to a fork in the road, take it. it ain't over till it's over. yogi berra appeared on this program three times. here is a look at those conversations. yogi: my kids will say, dad, you said another one. i don't even know i say them. i don't know i say them. i could go to parties and people
say, let me hear you say one of your funny things. i do not know i say them. it just comes out. you tell me what time it is and i will say now. nobody goes there, it is too crowded. charlie: what is your favorite? yogi: it ain't over till it's over. when you come to the fork in the road, take it. you can't hit and think at that same time. charlie: what are some of the others? yogi: oh, charlie. i would still be asleep if you did not wake me. [laughter] charlie: nobody goes to that restaurant anymore because it is too crowded. i want to take a look at some highlights. terrific stuff. all of us love baseball and love highlights. take a look at this. included in this is the perfect game. >> his highly touted catcher behind the plate for catching duties. berra will be making his eight
americanor the all-stars. berra is a feared long ball hitter. and because of his ability to drive bad pitches out of the park, he is hard to pitch the ball to. he has the kind of power that the americans need to get to be victory column. >> goes up. strike three. now he opens the door to the hall of fame. >> up and back. yogi's chasing it. he almost flips. yogi made that one look tough, but came up with it. he usually does. [cheering] >> yogi berra helped sew it up with a booming drive into the right-field stands. yogi has been chosen most valuable player three times. and power like this is one of the reasons why.
>> yogi berra gives the yankees some hope with a slashing double to right-center. but ties on second. [indiscernible shouting] >> tagging. you can't kick me out! >> you know you did. you expecting them to fly. [indiscernible] >> where'd he touch me? where did he touch me? >> right here on the [bleep] [laughter] charlie: did you like managing? yogi: yeah, i really did. likedd to manage and i coaching, too. charlie: ted williams once said the hardest thing in sports to do is to hit a baseball.
yogi: he said he could see -- i don't know. different ways of hitting. i could not stand up and hold my bat. i had to swing my bat. i had to time the pictures. charlie: you time the pitchers. yogi: when he goes up with his arm, i follow him. charlie: how much of hitting a baseball is in the wrist. yogi: it should be all wrist. charlie: if the ball is coming fast enough. yogi: the harder the guys throw -- you see a lot of guys striking out today. they use light bats. we never used light bats. 32 ounce, 34 inches. they all want to hit home runs today. charlie: what is your greatest moment in baseball? yogi: being a yankee. i think it was great. i was very fortunate. played 17 years, 14 world series. charlie: the championship. yogi: it's got to be. then hall of fame.
charlie: was it one game? the don larson perfect game? yogi: well, that then. i think hall of fame is most precious. charlie: being a member? yogi: then being voted most valuable player three times. charlie: who did you take with fame? the hall of yogi: lefty gomez. colfax. charlie: colfax hard to hit? yogi: hard to bat against when you had control. and when you did not have control. when i was coach with the mets, the guy said, you are lucky to not have to bat against him. and i said, you are lucky not to hit against him. charlie: your best game? as a player? yogi: boy. i don't know. i had quite a few. charlie: but catching had to be
don larson? yogi: catching, the best game, yeah. charlie: by far. what were you thinking through that game? as you got to the seventh and the eighth-inning? yogi: eighth inning, ninth-inning. a lot of people asked me what about the last out? i said, i'm glad it's over. charlie: you ran out and jumped in your arms. how tall are you, 5'6"? 5'7" and a half. larson is a big guy. you were grabbing. the sheer joy of having a perfect game in a world series. yogi: during the world series. hasn't it been another one. been another one. charlie: did you sense he had something special early in the game? yogi: no. got to the seventh inning, then you start thinking a little bit. a few guys went to the seventh
inning and then pow. charlie: if you were coming up today, playing the same way you did, would you make it? would you have the same success? yogi: yeah, i think i would. charlie: all right. i think so, too. you could swing it with these guys. yogi: i will take a chance. >> when billy martin became manager in 1976, he hired yogi as a bench coach. our coaching staff was martin, yogi, elson howard, dick howser. genejean michaels -- michaels. they assembled a great coach, but in the locker room at yankee stadium, he lockered one locker over for me. i was sitting next to him almost every day. things started slowly for me. i was supposed to be a reliever. i got stuck in the starting rotation. once you start to learn a few things, you know you have an
all-star catcher here, one of the greatest catchers. let me ask this guy a question. you start asking and learning. and i'll tell the story all the time. the season that i had in 1978, by far the greatest i ever had. i was about 12 into it one time, and turned over to him and said, i got a question. he turned around to him and said you are 12-0, what more can i say? enough is enough. charlie: it is like saying if it ain't broke, don't fix it. >> that is more or less where it always started. and years passed, but we remained friends all the time. charlie: tell me about the firing by george steinbrenner. he fired you. but he did not fire you personally. yogi: no. i wouldn't mind it.
if he would've told me himself. usually when you get fired, he is the one that tells you are fired. charlie: it was early in the season. yogi: six games. charlie: six or seven games? he fires you and he does not tell you himself. yogi: he would not tell me. so i went back on the bus with the team. and i'll get another job some other place. charlie: did you say to yourself and other people, i will never set foot in yankee stadium again? yogi: yeah, i said that. i'll never go back to yankee stadium again. it took me 14 years. charlie: you did not go back until? yogi: he called me up and he came to the museum and apologized and everything.
then the kids were saying that everybody wanted to see me at yankee stadium. they are the ones that made me go back, tell you the truth. charlie: your kids. yogi: we went back and became good friends. charlie: roll tape. this an interview i did with george steinbrenner. here it is. there might never have been a reconciliation with yogi berra if it weren't for yankee icon joe dimaggio. >> i became close to joe d. in his final years. more than once he said, you have to get him back. he was yankee from start to finish. charlie: two months before joe dimaggio died, steinbrenner told yogi he was sorry. >> it was a mistake. it was my mistake, and i apologized to him. yogi: it was great the way he did it. there was a little tear. i did the wrong thing. i know it.
i made a mistake. charlie: this spring, george steinbrenner invited yogi back to yankee stadium to throw out the first pitch on opening day. it is things like this that are making people say the toughest boss in baseball has mellowed. yogi: he mellowed. [laughter] charlie: but this is a great story because when he got you back with the yankees, and it's created this -- it gave life to this friendship that is so rich in everything. yogi: john mcmillan said, the houston astros, he asked me to come down to spring training with houston. i said, john, we're friends. let's stay that way. that's when i went to the mets. george was over there.
charlie: you liked casey. yogi: very much so. you could tell a lot of stories about him. whitey ford was pitching. threw four pitches and four guys got on base. and one-run scored. got nobody out. casey come out to me and said, does he have anything? i said, i don't know. i have not caught one yet. [laughter] >> i know the story. yogi: it was a lot of fun. charlie: is the don larson game your greatest? yogi: it has to be. to pitch a no-hitter in the world series. has not been done. charlie: how many pitches does he shake off? yogi: none. he got it over.
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